Instead, we can provide escapism, a connection and can reflect peoples lives back at them.

It doesnt feel like there are as many of them as there were, he adds.

Maybe people need to feel that shift or the messaging needs to float down.

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Clarke (front left) and Bayles (back row, middle-right) celebrate ‘Such Brave Girls’ BAFTA win with cast and crew. Image: Scott Garfitt/BAFTA via Getty Images.

This is no bad thing, he posits.

Finding additional funding is a vexatious thing.

Its achievable and doable but it can make things longer and be frustrating for talent, he says.

Not that Clarke and Bayles are complaining.

Does Clarke believe it changed the landscape?

Yes and no, he ponders.

That is what is so brilliant about Michaelas writing.

He had a deal with HBO but is now up for exec-ing shows with VAL, adds Clarke.

Hes back and remains creative director.

Things that are put together with an outcome in mind dont get that outcome because they feel too constructed.