This week, our interview is withMatt Frei, who serves as an anchor and Europe editor forChannel 4News.
Donald Trumpis building a wall.
The 2013 sit-down was a sometimes playful, often enlightening encounter.
Channel 4 News anchor Matt Frei in Washington D.C.Channel 4 News
Frei poked Trump over bikini diplomacy after he boasted about taking Miss Universe to Moscow.
Trump called Frei stupid for acknowledging Chinas status as a factory for the world.
He argues that Trumps anger has gotten the better of him; that his American ideals have curdled.
Joe BidenPhoto by ANDREW CABALLERO-REYNOLDS/AFP via Getty Images
Its like an American figure thats seen through the filter of Tarantino.
Something has gone slightly wrong, he muses.
Heres someone whos come along whos very good at being bad.
It calls to mind a quote Frei once heard about Trump from a U.S. historian.
Hes a son of a bitch, but hes our son of a bitch, Frei smiles.
It would not sound out of place in a Tarantino movie.
Its a zero-sum game, Frei says, in which the other guys victory is my defeat.
He genuinely talks a good public broadcasting game.
He says he doesnt care too much if viewers are less tolerant of other belief systems.
We have to have the courage of our convictions, he says.
If I only told my audience what they want to hear, it would be an incredibly boring program.
At the heart of this question is the former president.
The republic really is on the line here, he says.
