Welker tried, successfully at points, to make news and also to counter him on certain key facts.

There is just no evidence of that, Mr. President, Welker said to him.

The indictments have been charged by a special counsel.

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Donald Trump and Kristen Welker in September, 2023NBC News

Yet in this case, the context goes beyond just what the White House says.

(At one point Trump claimed that Biden has lied about his golf handicap.)

That said, Welkers sit down still underscored the vexing challenges of interviewing him.

Donald Trump and ABC News' Terry Moran

They turn out to be RINOs, or they turn out to be not so good, he said.

In many cases I didnt respect them.

But I did respect others.

I respected many others that said the election was rigged.

Welker then asked, You called some of your outside lawyers, you said they had crazy theories.

Why were you listening to them?

Were you listening to them because they were telling you what you wanted to hear?

Trump responded, You know who I listen to?

I saw what happened.

I wanted that election, and I thought that the election was over at 10 oclock in the evening.

Were you calling the shots, though, Mr. President, unfortunately?

As to whether or not I believed it was rigged?

Oh sure, Trump said.

It was my decision, he finally said.

But I listened to some people.

Were you in the dining room watching TV?

Im not going to tell you, Trump responded.

His non-answer was telling in itself.

Its the accountability function of journalism in the midst of a presidential campaign.